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MDV 670 · Maria Isaakovna Liberzon

Slavuta, Ukraine 5 May 2003 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Jeffrey Veidlinger Part 3 of 4 62 min · 22 passages

One conversation with Maria Isaakovna Liberzon, continuing over MDV 668, MDV 669, MDV 670.

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0:00

Sabbath celebration.

Sabbath · MCO
From the machine transcript

Liberzon talks about Sabbath at home: heating the oven and keeping food warm in the town, and how Kiddush was not allowed in her father's synagogue, so people came to his house to make it, with a cold kugel prepared on Friday. Kerler asks whether her mother read on the Sabbath; Liberzon describes her mother's education, her knowledge of Russian and Yiddish, and that no letters survived the deportation.

2:43

Family.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon mentions a relative who lived in a town whose name is unclear in the transcript and who was smuggled across the border dressed as a peasant on the way to the Land of Israel. She also says her father could have left but stayed, to keep the synagogue from being closed. She also refers to stories of tsadikim sent from America.

The transcript also shows her mention of a story about tsadikim from America and her father's reason for staying.

4:23

Hasidim.

From the machine transcript

Kerler remarks that few traces of Hasidism are found among the old Jews. Liberzon answers that the Jews of Slavuta were, as she understands it, Misnagdim in later years, though earlier there were Hasidim; she says people in the last period no longer went to a rebbe. She also reflects on her half-Soviet Yiddish.

5:52

Yiddish language.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon talks about Yiddish today: Hebrew words entering it, the rich Yiddish literature, and Yiddish books she read as a girl, including translations. She describes asking a neighbor for a Yiddish school book. Kerler then asks whether she sang the Sabbath songs with her father.

7:39

Family and stories.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon speaks of her sisters Sheyndl and the elder Khayke, and explains the surname Shapiro, discussed in a university ethnography exam. Asked by Kerler for her father's stories, she recalls a joke about a woman asking about Passover dishes and a story about a dream about a bridegroom, with sukes mentioned at the end.

12:34

Holidays and tradition.

From the machine transcript

Kerler and Liberzon discuss Shemini Atseres and early morning prayers, and Liberzon recalls the sukkah in the corridor of her father's house, where neighbors sat at a table. She recalls carrying shalakhmones to her grandfather and calls the holidays happy ones. The passage is partly garbled by Russian asides; Kerler then asks about brandy in Slavuta.

17:16

Alcohol.

· MCO
From the machine transcript

Liberzon says drinking brandy was forbidden in her father's synagogue after the war, though Jews gathered at the house on Sabbath for kugel; her father avoided drink apart from an occasional measure. Kerler brings up the Purim commandment to drink.

19:08

Holiday celebration during Great Hunger and religious life today.

From the machine transcript

Asked about Chanukah latkes, Liberzon says they were made on the oven. She remembers the Great Hunger, when her father traveled to Moscow to buy bread and bread was later baked at home. She also describes the American rebbe Rokeach, who brings bread from America, and her sister in Chernivtsi who keeps a Jewish home.

The transcript adds the visit of the American rebbe and bread brought from America.

20:56

Her sister Khayke.

From the machine transcript

Kerler asks about interviewing Liberzon's sister in Chernivtsi, who is ill, and about the telephone number. They discuss when he is going there and phone contact with the family.

22:19

Family and religious teacher.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon recalls a teacher who came to the house daily and wrote Yiddish verses for her small sister. She says they studied with a melamed at home for two or three years before the war, learning to pray. Slavuta's telephone code is then discussed partly in Russian.

24:33

Religious life today and food customs.

life today Religious life (general)Food · MCO
From the machine transcript

Liberzon returns to the American rebbe who brings bread, and to the baker who sold challah after the war, when her father was alive. She describes making shmire matzo and fish, with Kerler adding remarks about bread in Russia.

27:34

Passover celebration.

Passover · MCO
From the machine transcript

Liberzon recalls Passover before the war: going with her father by sleigh to the mill for shmire flour, and the family's strict customs about matzo and about foods not used at Passover. Kerler asks about stringent customs concerning matzo.

32:23

Holiday food customs.

From the machine transcript

Kerler asks whether Chanukah latkes were made of flour or potatoes; Liberzon is unsure and recalls a Chanukah text. Much of the passage is garbled, with Russian asides, and covers her memory of a Chanukah tune.

33:55

Post-religious life at father’s synagogue.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon talks about her father's synagogue after the war: he sang cantors' songs, outsiders were not admitted, and she recalls a man in Zaslav. She looks for the Chanukah prayer text in a calendar and briefly recites it, with Kerler repeating it. The passage ends with Kerler thanking her for her help and offering to spare her linguistic questions.

The transcript adds her recitation of a Chanukah prayer from a calendar and cantors' songs.

38:13

Holiday food customs.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon says she spoke only Yiddish at home and attended a Hebrew school; her father knew little Russian. She mentions making blintzes and describes holiday food: kreplekh with soup before Yom Kippur, and dairy dishes with blintzes on Shavuot. She notes that no beef was slaughtered in Slavuta then. Kerler ends by asking about the public library.

40:07

Public library before war.

before the war Yiddish literature and press · MCO
From the machine transcript

Kerler asks whether the public library in Slavuta had Yiddish books. Liberzon says libraries held many Yiddish books before the war but not after. She says Yiddish is still spoken in nearby towns and talks about what she can contribute on language and history.

41:34

Postwar Yiddish plays in Chernivtsi and family.

after the war TheaterFamily history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Liberzon recalls being a guest in Chernivtsi in the late 1940s with her father's brother. She describes the Yiddish theater that moved from Kyiv after the war and the Ukrainian artists who lodged there, with Russian talk of the closing of the Moscow Yiddish theater.

The transcript shows details about the Kyiv Yiddish theater moving to Chernivtsi and Ukrainian artists lodging with her uncle.

44:09

Cultural terminology and religious life today.

Questionnaire life today Cultural terminologyReligious life (general) · MCO
From the machine transcript

Kerler talks about his own writing in English, then asks how Litvaks and Galicians were referred to; Liberzon discusses Litvak speech, Belarusians, Lubavitch and Brestlov Hasidim and an unclear conflict between them. She describes a Jewish religious school in which Yiddish and Jewishness are taught with sponsors from America.

The transcript also shows Kerler's discussion of his own work and talk of Lubavitch and a Jewish school.

47:53

Family and religious life today.

From the machine transcript

Liberzon talks about her grandfather Khayim Shapiro, who moved from Bessarabia to Slavuta and went to a rebbe after losing children. She describes her father's father, a physician for fifty years who took no money and called it a mitsve. Kerler then asks what her father told about the Vilna Gaon.

49:55

Religious customs /life today and documents.

From the machine transcript

Kerler asks about misnagdim versus Hasidim, the Vilna Gaon and the Annopol rabbi. Liberzon looks for and shows a note about the grave of a rebbe, and a family lineage of rebbes is read out. They also discuss Lubavitch, Breslov, and the debate about the messiah, and she mentions a Jewish school where children learn only to pray.

The transcript adds the search for a family note and documents, and a lineage of rebbes read aloud.

57:24

Food customs.

Food · MCO
From the machine transcript

Kerler asks about gefilte fish and Liberzon describes the family way: the fish head with a worm-like bone, the special kosher knife, no sugar or pepper, and the custom for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. She explains how the family tested flour for being kosher by pressing it in the hand, with Russian asides, and mentions Passover without matzo kugel.