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Fanya Brief; Leon (Shmil Yoysef) Brief

Botoșani 29 May 2006 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Jeffrey Veidlinger, Moisei Lemster 85 min · 2 parts on 2 tapes
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  1. MDV 227 2:40–1:02:33 · 60 min · archive.org
  2. MDV 228 0:00–24:55 · 25 min · archive.org
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MDV 227 2:40–1:02:33

2:40

Brief provides personal information and talks about his family. The Briefs' daughter was born in Suceava and the family moved then to Botoșani.

From the machine transcript

Fanya gives her name and says she was born in Iași. She mentions the family's later residence and two grandchildren. Kerler then asks about Leon Brief's names, Romanian and Hebrew, and when he lived in Chernivtsi; he says he left in 1945.

Includes the discussion of his Hebrew and Romanian names

5:51

Brief discusses prewar Jewish life in Chernivtsi. He then talks about his family. His father was a barber.

From the machine transcript

Brief recalls prewar Chernivtsi, with many Jews, a great rabbi and a large synagogue. He says he spoke Yiddish, German and Russian. His father served in the Russian army in the First World War and was a barber; his grandfathers were a stove-maker and a kvitler (?). Kerler and Lemster also ask about his grandmother's name and trade.

11:35

Brief talks about his life and cultural life before the war. He attended a Romanian school. He studied the Yiddish language with a private tutor. Brief then recalls performances by Sidi Tal, who was his mother's cousin. He also lists theater plays, he watched before the war.

From the machine transcript

Brief says he left Chernivtsi at twelve. He attended a Romanian primary school, could write Yiddish, played football and collected stamps. He recalls the actress Sidi Tal, his mother's cousin, whom he saw once, and Yiddish theater plays in Chernivtsi including Shalom Aleichem and The Dybbuk. Lemster and Kerler ask about writers and Yiddish films.

Also covers childhood games, stamp collecting and Yiddish film

20:15

Brief speaks about his life during the war, when he was imprisoned in the Mohyliv-Podilskyy ghetto (Transnistria). In particular, he recalls the violence of soldiers and diseases in the ghetto. He explains how his grandmother was thrown into a pit, after she died of hunger.

during the war GhettoFamily history MDV 227 · MCO
From the machine transcript

Brief recalls Transnistria, where he was held in the ghetto at Mohyliv with his mother and grandmother. He describes violence by soldiers, a Jewish ghetto leader, typhus, and hunger that killed many. His grandmother died of hunger and was thrown into a common pit. He says the Ukrainians were worse than the Russians.

25:10

Brief recalls a poet called Shvartskop, who wrote songs in the ghetto. Brief then recites one of his song about ghetto trade.

From the machine transcript

Asked whether songs about the troubles were sung in the ghetto, Brief recalls a song about trading rags and currency in the ghetto and repeats it at Kerler's request. Kerler and Lemster stress the importance of recording it, and Kerler recites a ghetto song. Brief ends by speaking about American aid to Jews.

27:46

Brief talks about life today.

life today Life today MDV 227 · MCO
From the machine transcript

Brief talks about contemporary Jewish life in Romania, with few Jews left, and about community leadership. Kerler then turns to songs from Chernivtsi.

28:38

Brief recalls a Yiddish song about growing up, performed by Sidi Tal. He then talks about life today.

From the machine transcript

Brief recites a song about an orphan growing up and about the last dance. Kerler asks about a song on paper children. Brief then complains about the Joint's leadership and money in Romania. Lemster returns to Brief's youth, they discuss photographs and Lemster's origins, and Brief mentions cousins in Israel.

Adds complaints about the Joint and exchange about Lemster's home and Brief's cousins in Israel

31:37

Brief talks about his family. His cousins live in Israel and America. He then talks about his wedding. Brief got married in 1953 in Iaşi. He raised a daughter and a son.

From the machine transcript

Brief says he married in Iași in 1953 and describes a modest wedding with a chuppah and a broken glass. He recalls being engaged at nineteen to a girl from Tecuci, which ended because she wanted to emigrate and he did not. He mentions cousins abroad, the difficulty of tracing a cousin, and says his daughter and wife know little Yiddish.

Adds the earlier engagement and the language of his family

36:46

Brief speaks about his life after the war. He worked as dental technician for 45 years. He then talks about traditional weddings and recalls his father singing. He then talks alcohol consuming.

From the machine transcript

Brief says he worked as a dental technician for forty-five years. He says he dislikes Romanian-style dancing at weddings. His father sang well, Russian songs among them, and Brief recalls a Yiddish saying about children. He tells how he avoided drinking in Botoșani and discusses vodka and brandy.

Adds the talk about drinking and about words for vodka

42:07

Brief recites a funny version of the Four Questions for Passover. He then talks about his family.

From the machine transcript

Brief recites a comic version of the Four Questions for Passover. Kerler and Lemster ask him to repeat it, and Fanya joins in. They discuss the fourth question and how blessings are pronounced. Lemster mentions that his daughter has said he sings well.

Adds the exchange about the fourth question and pronunciation of the blessing

45:17

Brief discusses holiday celebration, including food customs. He recites a Purim shpiel. Brief then recalls an anecdote about Hershl Ostropoler.

From the machine transcript

Lemster asks about Jewish holidays and Purim shpiels. Brief recalls childhood Purim, with masks and eating about twenty pastries made by his grandmother. Kerler recites a line of Purim verse, and Brief recounts an anecdote about Hershele Ostropoler at a wedding. He also speaks about a performer from Chernivtsi named Sidi Tal (Birkenthal).

Adds Brief's childhood Purim and the Sidi Tal story

48:58

Brief talks about prewar Jewish life in Chernivtsi.

before the war Local Jewish history MDV 227 · MCO
From the machine transcript

Brief speaks about Chernivtsi, with a famous doctor named Sternberg who operated on him. Lemster and Kerler ask about libraries, newspapers and a culture league, and Brief says there was much culture, theater and none of the others. They then return to the Four Questions and a Yiddish riddle.

51:05

Brief then recites a humorous version of the well-known song "Tumbalaika." He also addresses prewar cultural performances, in particular by a magician.

Recitation before the war Songs and musicCultural life (general) MDV 227 · MCO
From the machine transcript

Brief recites a riddle and a humorous version of Tumbalalaika. The interviewers ask about gramophone records and popular Yiddish songs. He recalls a magician show and the cinemas and theaters of Chernivtsi, including Russian actors. S3 also helps.

Adds gramophone records and popular songs

55:35

Brief then sings a song in Russian about Odesa and talks about postwar performances.

From the machine transcript

Brief names Jewish performers and composers and recites a Russian song about the broad country. He says he was a Pioneer and a Komsomol member in Chernivtsi, and that in 1945 the Russians came again.

Adds Brief's Pioneer and Komsomol membership

57:13

Brief talks about his life after the war. He was imprisoned in the ghetto from 1941 to 1944. He explains how he wanted to leave for the Land of Israel in 1940, but was not allowed because he had relatives in Chernivtsi.

From the machine transcript

Brief tells of leaving Transnistria in October 1941 (?) with orphans, travelling eight days to Bucharest, and how an officer brought him to his aunt in Chernivtsi. He says the Germans did nothing there. Kerler and Lemster ask why he went to Suceava and Romania; he says his aunt wished to go there, and they discuss towns in the area.

Adds the journey from Mohyliv and aunt in Chernivtsi

1:00:47

Fanya talks about her family.

From the machine transcript

Fanya speaks about a relative of hers; her mother and a cousin's mother were cousins. They also discuss an aunt's comment about a woman needing more than one man.

MDV 228 0:00–24:55

0:00

Brief talks about his family. He then remembers the poet Shvartskop from the Mohyliv-Podilskyy ghetto. He then talks about life today.

From the machine transcript

Opens with a remark that people from Russia, here and Canada all speak Yiddish. Kerler and Lemster then try to get Brief to recall the poet Shvartskop (Shvartskov) from Mohyliv, and the talk drifts to actors and artists. Brief says he has forgotten much.

Opening remarks on Yiddish speakers and talk of artists are not in the catalogue entry.

3:14

Brief talks about his family, in particular his parents. He also addresses Sabbath celebrations at home and religious life after the war.

From the machine transcript

Brief says his parents spoke Yiddish at home and describes the Yiddish books in the house. His father read a Romanian newspaper all day. Brief discusses rabbis and rebbes and the difference between a rav and a rebbe, mentions a visiting rebbe, and describes a dish made of white flour and potatoes.

Includes the rav versus rebbe question and food made of flour and potatoes.

6:50

Brief talks about his life during the war and addresses food shortage. He then describes how he went into the villages in search for food.

From the machine transcript

Brief talks about wartime hunger and going out of a camp with a small sack to look for food in the villages. He describes clothes made from sacks and twisted shoes. Lemster mentions that his own mother was in a camp. Kerler then steers back to Shvartskop's songs and the poet's family and name.

8:45

Brief speaks about the poet Shvartskop. He then tells an episode about the king visiting Chernivtsi and his encounter with a Jewish tailor. He also recalls the thief Hershele Feldhamer from prewar Chernivtsi.

From the machine transcript

Brief says he saw and heard Shvartskop's Yiddish songs but does not know where the poet came from. He then tells a story about a king visiting Chernivtsi and a Jewish tailor. He also recalls the thief Hershele Feldhamer, whom the police could not catch for years. Kerler again presses him to recall a Shvartskop song.

Both the Chernivtsi king story and the thief Feldhamer appear, as the catalogue says, but the Shvartskop talk is more about the poet's origin.

12:52

Brief sings the Yiddish song "Vu iz dos gesele" (Where is the street) He then addresses contemporary politics.

Singing life today Songs and music MDV 228 · MCO
From the machine transcript

Kerler and Brief discuss the song "Vu iz dos gesele" and its translation, though the singing itself is not clear in the transcript. Brief then turns to politics, talking about Russians still being afraid and about Putin as a former KGB man. Kerler comes back to Shvartskop's songs and the Four Questions.

14:37

Brief talks again about Shvartskop. He then addresses childhood games and performances by Sidi Tal.

From the machine transcript

Brief speaks about hearing Shvartskop a couple of times. He recalls children's customs in the synagogue at Passover (playing with nuts in holes) and a performer who sang and danced. Kerler and Lemster try to get him to recite the Four Questions from the beginning, and Brief mentions someone in New Jersey. He starts a riddle-like rhyme about a pot with holes.

Adds the children's Passover games and the attempts to elicit the Four Questions.

18:05

Brief recites a humorous version of the Four Questions and discusses songs in general.

From the machine transcript

Brief recites a humorous rhyme about a pot with holes and galoshes, and Lemster corrects him. They then discuss songs in general: Brief says he dislikes Romanian songs, and they bring up a Russian song, a joke about vodka and girls, and the Soviet army.

21:03

The team concludes the interview and Brief talks about life today.

life today Life today MDV 228 · MCO
From the machine transcript

Brief gives opinions about the Iraq war, Vietnam, President Bush and Hitler, saying that Bush is worse than Hitler. Kerler disagrees. Kerler thanks him and the interview ends.