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MDV 108 · Bela Reti

Debrecen, Hungary 16 December 2006 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Jeffrey Veidlinger Part 4 of 4 35 min · 11 passages

One conversation with Bela Reti, continuing over MDV 105, MDV 106, MDV 107, MDV 108.

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Passages

0:00

Reti speaks about contemporary Jewish life and rabbinical authorities.

From the machine transcript

Reti talks about a rabbi in Debrecen, a descendant of a family of rabbis and ritual slaughterers who has brothers in America and Canada, and who is now head of a rabbinical body. Kerler notes the name and hopes this man will speak with them, then steers Reti toward his years of study away from Debrecen.

The rabbi's family background and relatives abroad appear.

1:11

Reti speaks about his religious education and life in the region before the war.

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Reti answers Kerler's questions about his yeshiva study, including two terms in Balkány, the lack of a celebration at the end of a term, oral examinations, and learning alone as an older student. He explains that Orthodox yeshivas taught Talmud rather than Tanakh. The passage ends with a story that is hard to follow, about Joseph's dream and a rumor about a false report.

Details of yeshiva study methods and curriculum, and a rambling story at the end.

4:51

Reti speaks about contemporary religious life. He then speaks about his life and education before the war. Reti celebrated his bar mitzvah in Balkány. Reti states that he attended a yeshiva until his deportation in 1944.

From the machine transcript

Reti talks about a question of religious law and wine drinking when taking medicine, then about his yeshiva years. He went home only at the end of terms and holidays. He had his bar mitzvah in Balkány, where his family sent tefillin to the yeshiva, and he studied in yeshiva until he was taken away in 1944.

The opening part concerns a halakhic discussion about cantillation and wine.

7:59

Reti speaks about his life after the war in Debrecen. He moved in with his two brothers. Reti was a businessman for the government. He then recalls how is father passed away in 1939.

after the warbefore the war Daily life (general)Family historyWork and trades · MCO
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Reti recalls returning to Debrecen after the war, where his oldest brother took care of him. He worked in business for the government under a good non-Jewish supervisor who let Jewish workers keep the Sabbath. He goes to the cemetery on the anniversary of his father's death, who died suddenly in 1939 while Reti was at the yeshiva, and mentions that he was the youngest of his brothers.

Includes his work for the government and visits to his father's grave.

11:19

Reti addresses Yiddish dialects and talks about Russian Jewish soldiers during the liberation. He then talks about his family.

From the machine transcript

Reti answers questions about Yiddish dialects. On his return home he met Russian and Polish Jewish soldiers whose Yiddish was hard to understand. The conversation then turns to his family, including a brother and a brother's son who does not speak Yiddish, and an expected visit.

The passage covers soldiers' Yiddish and his family, with a request at the end to sing again.

14:05

Reti sings again a Purim shpiel and tells an anecdote about the Kosoner rebbe. He also addresses prewar Hasidism.

From the machine transcript

Reti recites a humorous purim-shpil piece about a bride, at Kerler's request. He then tells stories about a Hasidic rebbe, including one about a lost cow, and answers questions about sick people and non-Jews who came to the rebbe. They also discuss divorce and halitsah and a Tash rebbe near Nyíregyháza (?). Kerler ends by asking about the best time in his past.

Includes halakhic discussion of divorce and halitsah and the Tash Hasidim in America.

19:35

Reti speaks about his best moments in life before the war. Reti then sings Hasidic songs, he remembers from his childhood.

From the machine transcript

Reti says the best time was going home from the yeshiva at the end of a term and for holidays, when the family were all at home. He tries to recall a Hasidic melody, says he cannot remember songs from his parents, and recites or sings a plea to God about Jewish troubles that was sung before the war in times of persecution.

Includes the song of supplication and the context in which it was sung.

23:01

Reti speaks about Jewish life during the war and a Hungarian ethnic cleansing in 1943.

during the war World War II (general) · MCO
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Reti recalls that before the war many Jews of foreign origin who had been born elsewhere were expelled from Hungary as non-Hungarians, with a brother's help in a village matter. Reti dates this to 1943, and Kerler then recalls a prayer for relief.

The expulsion of non-Hungarian Jews is more specific than the catalogue's reference to Jewish life during the war.

25:00

Reti sings a Hasidic song about the messiah and then about Passover. He then talks about his life and family after the war.

From the machine transcript

Reti sings a Hasidic song about the messiah, sung at betrothal celebrations, and tries to recall a Passover song. He says that after returning there was no chance to continue studying. Five siblings and more than eighty relatives did not return, and he describes the deportation train, with only three of six brothers coming home.

The family's losses and the deportation journey appear.

29:17

Reti speaks about his life during the war, particularly as forced laborer. He then talks about his liberation by the British Army in Ebensee, Austria. Reti remembers a Jewish lieutenant who spoke Yiddish to him. Reti explains how he evaded a potential massacre, shortly before liberation.

From the machine transcript

Reti says nobody sang in Auschwitz and describes the brutal forced labor, including a beating that broke his hand. He tells of the last days of the war and a Satmar Jew in the British army who spoke Yiddish to the prisoners. He explains how the camp commander refused an order to shut the prisoners in a tunnel to be killed.

Includes the planned massacre in a tunnel and the Satmar Jew in the British army.

34:04

The team concludes the interview with Reti.

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From the machine transcript

Reti says he is crying easily because of illness, and Kerler thanks him warmly as the interview ends.