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MDV 486 · Moisei Usherovich Katz

Khust, Ukraine 6 July 2005 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Jeffrey Veidlinger, Dovid Katz Part 2 of 3 62 min · 6 passages

One conversation with Moisei Usherovich Katz, continuing over MDV 485, MDV 486, MDV 742.

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Passages

0:00

Katz talks about his arrival at Monowitz and the daily routine of going to work. Katz and two relatives were accompanied by prisoner marching band on the way to the factory. Katz explains how they managed to get easier work because of their young age. Katz helped an older German prisoner, carrying boxes. Katz then recalls the help they received from other German prisoners. In January, Katz continues, the camp was bombarded and he was not sent to work, but rather was sent on a death march instead. Katz describes how they had barely any food on the march, and how they eventually reached Gleiwitz. In Gleiwitz, he was forced into a train wagon of 130 people and deported to Buchenwald. As soon as he arrived in the camp, he was supposed to shower and Katz recalls the pleasures of drinking coffee. The following day he was sent to forced labor, carrying rocks. Katz, his and cousin were fortunate enough to be sent to a barrack with other children and did not have to work anymore until the liberation of Buchenwald by the Americans. Katz then discusses the days of liberation. Shortly before the liberation, Katz was forced to leave the barrack.

From the machine transcript

Katz describes his time in Monowitz: assignment to a barrack under a veteran kapo, the daily march to the factory accompanied by a prisoner orchestra, and digging trenches and carrying pipes. He, his cousin and his uncle obtain lighter work in the camp's work offices because they are young, and he helps a German political prisoner who is the block elder. After the bombing he is sent on a winter death march with almost no food, then on a week-long journey in open wagons to Buchenwald, where he recalls coffee and the crowded bunks. He and his cousin end up in the children's barrack and do no more labor until liberation by the Americans on 11 April, after being driven out of the barrack just before the end.

Gives details beyond the catalogue: the uncle's and cousin's names, the guards' flight to the bunkers, and Katz's later unanswered letter about Buchenwald documents.

19:17

Katz discusses his life in the liberated camp. He remembers people dying from eating too much after living on starvation rations for so long. Katz and his uncle and cousin registered as Czech and moved toward the Soviet-occupied zone. He describes the way back home and the change from Czech regime to Soviet regime in Ukraine. Katz describes how while staying at a hotel with his cousin and uncle, he was nearly sent to Siberia. Instead, they headed to Budapest, where they stayed and received food, before continuing the journey home. In Budapest, they met a fellow Jew from Khust and spent the night at his house.

From the machine transcript

Katz describes the weeks after liberation: many starved prisoners died from overeating, a quarantine followed, and the surviving boys registered as Czechoslovak citizens. He explains how the family name appears in several forms in his records. He, his uncle and his cousin travel toward home through Prague and Bratislava, meeting Czech and Soviet soldiers and being nearly sent to Siberia. They continue to Budapest, and on the way home they meet a Jew from Khust and spend the night at his house.

Adds the explanation of his surname registration and the encounter with a Jew from Khust, plus Czech attempts to keep the boys there.

31:14

Katz discusses his arrival in his home town, Koshelovo. He moved to Khust in 1954. Katz started an apprenticeship at a friend’s bakery for a short time. His cousin recommended learning driving, to become a chauffeur. He was trained from 1947 to 1951. Katz worked as a chauffeur for sixty years.

From the machine transcript

Katz describes settling back in his home village and being offered an apprenticeship at a friend's bakery near Svalyava, to which he drove a cow seventy kilometers. He quits after a week or so and, on his cousin's suggestion, takes a driving course, paying for it himself, and gets his license in the late 1940s (1947 is heard). He drove until he stopped working at about sixty and then retired on a pension. Kerler then asks about his schooling, and Katz says he attended a Subcarpathian Rus' school rather than a Czech one.

Adds the switch to the school question at the end; the length of his working life as a driver is unclear.

35:40

Katz mentions his school education at a Russian school, before he discusses his work as a chauffeur and the difference between working for Jews and non-Jews.

From the machine transcript

Katz says he attended an ordinary Russian school, since Czech schools existed only in the cities, and mentions the languages he understood (some Czech, some Hungarian). He remarks on how Hungarians, Gypsies and Czechs viewed Jews. He then talks about working as a driver in a large garage with hundreds of employees, claiming that non-Jewish bosses treated him far better than Jewish ones, and recounts a dispute over delivery documents at a bottling factory. Kerler ends by asking about the synagogue after the war.

41:27

Katz discusses Jewish life and religious activity in Khust after the war, where he moved in 1954. The community was supposed to pay taxes for the synagogue in 1953. Katz then turns to the post-Soviet period and explains how a tavern was built near the site of the former synagogue, where the mikva once was. He expresses frustration that the community members were willing to sign over this property to the tavern.

From the machine transcript

Katz explains that he moved to Khust in 1954, found the synagogue closed to him as a Soviet worker, and describes how Khust's eleven synagogues were reduced to one. He tells how old women at night resisted the authorities' attempts to take the building, and recalls the tax demanded of the congregation. He describes the later post-Soviet scheme to build a tavern on the synagogue's grounds near the former mikveh, an attempt involving a congregation head named Itsik Hoyfman. He is bitter that community members signed away the site, and criticizes Jews who buy bread on the Sabbath and the holiday revelry. Kerler asks the meaning of a building term he uses (a gutter or eave) and then starts asking food-term questions.

Adds the 1954 move, the synagogue's closure under Soviet rule, and a first set of questions at the end.

56:57

The team asks a number of dialectological questions from the AHEYM Yiddish questionnaire. Katz briefly discusses his religious education (cheder).

From the machine transcript

Kerler asks a short series of questionnaire items, including curses, the words for a Jewish and a non-Jewish cemetery, evil spirits (dybbuk) and the golem, and the word for a rod or whip. Katz also names a rebbe whom his father visited on the High Holy Days, but the rebbe's name is unclear. Katz is invited to talk about his childhood and cheder, answers briefly that songs were not sung there, and says pupils were beaten with a rod.

Katz also gives words for cemeteries, dybbuk and golem, and a rebbe's town (unclear), beyond the cheder topic.