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MDV 630 · Raisa Borisovna Turovskaia

Ovruch, Ukraine 26 May 2007 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Moisei Lemster Part 1 of 3 62 min · 23 passages

One conversation with Raisa Borisovna Turovskaia, continuing over MDV 630, MDV 631, MDV 632.

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Passages

0:00

Town footage of Ovruch.

Footage · MCO
From the machine transcript

Town footage and conversation in the car while the team looks for the way to the informant's house. They ask passers-by in Russian for Sverdlova street, and other places in town are mentioned.

3:46

Arrival.

Informal · MCO
From the machine transcript

The team arrives and Turovskaia greets them. Kerler introduces Lemster as a Yiddish writer. There is talk about driving the car into the yard and about something Kerler sent her.

4:59

Family and Yiddish-speakers in the region.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia talks about Dovid Katz's earlier visit and about her family. Her father died long ago, and relatives were evacuated. They discuss Jews who are no longer in town, including a man named Feldman and a couple from Slavechno (?). She says her children live in Siberia (Kansk, Krasnoyarsk region) and in Pskov, and mentions her late husband, a veterinarian.

adds her children in Siberia and Pskov and the Jews of the region who have died

8:47

Her work as a History teacher.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia says she taught history. Lemster asks which kind, and she answers general history. She then speaks of what she knows of the town's Jews and says she is herself from Veledniki, the home of the holy tzaddik.

9:37

Volednicker rebbe and family.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia asks whether Katz gave Kerler photographs of the Volednicker tzaddik. She tells how her family suffered under the Poles in 1920 and in 1937, and how her father avoided arrest. Her grandmother travelled to a good Jew for a name, and her father was named after the tzaddik Yisroel Dov. Kerler asks about names, and she gives her own Yiddish name as Rochel.

adds the grandmother's trip to a good Jew, her father's naming after the tzaddik and the 1937 arrest

12:27

Prewar life in Novyye Veledniki.

before the war Daily life (general) · MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia gives her surname and her maiden name Feldman, and says she lived in Veledniki until the war began. She recalls her girlhood years, including playing the violin and joining a dance circle. She attended a Ukrainian school, and the class newspaper was in Ukrainian.

13:54

Yiddish school and family stories during the Civil War.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia says she finished four grades of Yiddish school and can read and write Yiddish. Her sister in Israel writes to her in Yiddish and Russian. At Lemster's prompting she tells in detail how her father, as a teenager, fell into the hands of bandits, probably from Kobyl'ye, during the Civil War. They cut the owner's fingers for gold, he escaped through a window, and she names the year uncertainly. Other tales follow about his supplying food, and about the grandparents naming him for the tzaddik after a dream. She then turns to a Polish occupation of Ukraine and Cossacks at the door.

adds the Yiddish school and her father's bandit stories

22:43

1937

before the war · MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia recalls 1937, when her father was taken away. She names her sister Ester and brother Fayvl, who has since died, and says another sister lives in Israel. She stresses that as a child she had to study, do housework and work, and that life was hard.

23:56

Yiddish school.

Schooling · MCO
From the machine transcript

Kerler asks about the Yiddish school. Turovskaia remembers a teacher named Avrom but not the subjects. Talk turns to a booklet of her father's stories about the tzaddik, which she has prepared for the interviewers. She says the tzaddik knew who came to him and why.

25:28

Stories about the Volednicker tzaddik.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia tells stories about the Volednicker tzaddik. As a boy he was made unfit for the tsar's army. He advised that a dream should be interpreted for the good. In another tale a woman with four daughters and a husband who left for Siberia is told to sell bagels, and the money ends up as the daughters' dowry.

30:43

Continuation of stories.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia tells how a family on a sleigh lost a child, and the tzaddik sent a wolf to find and warm it. She also tells how her father, resting at a house on the Sabbath, met a vicious dog. The dog was possessed by a dybbuk, and the tzaddik told the man how to deal with it. She mentions her friend Roza Kameranits.

35:19

Friends from childhood.

before the war Childhood · MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia talks about her friend Roza, whose father was in the Revolution. Roza was talented and a good speaker, and Turovskaia remembers school events. She tells of Roza's early death and the start of the war, with evacuation. She says she dreams of Roza and says Yizkor for her. She ends with blessings for the interviewers.

37:08

Religious customs today.

life today Religious life (general) · MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia explains how she keeps religious customs today. She says Yizkor for her dead relatives and gathers a minyan, with a Torah laid out when ten are not present. On a yahrzeit she lights a lamp and gives money so that Kaddish is said. She mentions saying Yizkor on the second day of Shavuot and dreams of deceased relatives.

39:59

Food customs.

Food · MCO
From the machine transcript

Lemster asks whether she makes meat kosher today, and she says no, since her father, a shoykhet, died. She describes how the mother soaked meat and salted it. She then adds a remark about Roza's early death. Kerler asks about the Khapner Trefer.

41:16

Khapner trefer.

· MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia talks about Leybl the Khapner, called the Trefer or the White. He knew who came to him, predicted that the family would survive and that war would come. When the Germans took Khapne, asked who would win, he told them to bring a white and a red rooster to fight. The red rooster won, which meant a Soviet victory. He died a hard death, and Kerler adds his own doubts about the man.

45:21

Childhood memories and Jewish life in Novyye Veledniki.

before the war ChildhoodLocal Jewish history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia describes Veledniki before the war: one hundred and twenty-five Jewish families, perhaps half the town's population, a cheerful shtetl that later became a village. There were a synagogue, a beys medresh, a Polish church and a cloister. Relations with Christians were normal.

47:02

Family and childhood memories.

before the war Family historyChildhood · MCO
From the machine transcript

Turovskaia describes her family. She lived with parents and siblings, and the family dwelling is described. She names her paternal and maternal grandparents and uncles. Several relatives were killed, among them her brother, shot by Germans, and her uncle Yitskhok, taken into the army. A man from Old Veledniki reported him, as she says. Kerler records the names.

adds the family tree, the brother's death and the childhood home

58:27

Speaking Yiddish among family members.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia says she and her husband spoke Yiddish at home but did not teach their children in Siberia. Kerler gives a Yiddish saying about being well everywhere. She goes on to the dishes she keeps for Passover.

59:11

Celebrating holidays.

From the machine transcript

Turovskaia describes how she prepares for Passover, with a candle, feather and bread crumbs for searching for chametz, which she burns. She keeps Passover dishes. She explains that she has not bought kosher meat since her father died, so as not to make the dishes treyf.