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MDV 793 · Efim Grigoryevich Skobilitskii; Veniamin Iakovlevich Geller

Berdychiv, Zhytomyr, Ukraine 22 May 2003 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Dovid Katz Part 3 of 3 59 min · 15 passages

One conversation with Efim Grigoryevich Skobilitskii, continuing over MDV 347, MDV 793.

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Passages

0:00

Jewish Berdychiv before the war.

before the war Local Jewish history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Skobilitskii points out the house of a wealthy local businessman (named something like Magazanik, uncertain). He ran a large farm with cattle, sent dairy products to Zhytomyr and Kyiv, and owned a leather factory that exported to Czechoslovakia. Many Jews lived in his buildings and worked for him. Skobilitskii also mentions a four-year Jewish school after the revolution, an old ornate door, and a visitor from Canada who no longer knew Yiddish.

4:59

Town footage of Berdychiv.

Footage · MCO
From the machine transcript

Camera and walking footage of Berdychiv streets. The guide points out the synagogue, a children's polyclinic, and an old journalists' building, and the group finds a gate closed and rings to be let in. They then reach a newly built yeshiva complex, where a mikveh is being built. Its funding is attributed to a rich man living in America, named something like Mendelevich (unclear). Much of the speech is garbled.

8:57

Yeshiva of Berdychiv.

Tour life today Religious education · MCO
From the machine transcript

The team enters the Berdychiv yeshiva building and sees the prayer room, a Torah scroll and the dining hall. They briefly speak with students, who say they study mostly in Russian with Russian translation and that Yiddish plays only a small role. Kerler remarks on the former building being bought and taken away, and on the 'great miracles' of Jewish children studying there again.

12:08

Jewish Soviet war memorial.

From the machine transcript

At the mass-grave site and memorial near the old airfield, Russian voices say where Jews were shot and where the pits and the obelisk are. Skobilitskii recites Kaddish and discusses how many Jews were killed in the area. The figure is heard as roughly eighteen thousand six hundred (uncertain). Most of the Yiddish here is garbled.

17:06

Town footage of Berdychiv.

Footage · MCO
From the machine transcript

Skobilitskii shows the house on Kachenivka street where he lived and his younger brothers were born. It belonged to a rich man whose family name sounds like Krupnik (?), and tenants paid him rent. He remembers sledding in winter, and describes the large synagogue that stood nearby, with a mikveh and bath fed by the river. He mentions friends from Berdychiv now in Haifa and Netanya, the mostly Jewish surroundings, and walking to synagogue on Shabbat.

24:08

The team concludes the interview with Skobilitskii.

· MCO
From the machine transcript

The Berdychiv visit ends with farewells. Skobilitskii points out his third-floor flat. The talk turns to Ruzhyn (Ruzhene) and Jews still living there, and to a plan to visit again, including his grandfather Nachman, a rabbi. Both sides express thanks and good wishes.

25:18

Dovid Katz joins the team.

Informal · MCO
From the machine transcript

Katz joins the team in Zhytomyr and says he arrived there that day. He greets people, including the chief rabbi of Zhytomyr.

25:48

Jewish life in Zhytomyr today.

life today Life todayLocal Jewish history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Geller, in the Zhytomyr synagogue, says he comes from Pyatka, a small town between Berdychiv and Chudniv. He talks about the Zhytomyr rabbi and his Russian, about Jews living in Zhytomyr as if in exile, and about the lack of proper Jewish burial for a 93-year-old man. He also describes young visitors who know no Yiddish, a dictionary he gave one, and who in Zhytomyr still speaks Yiddish. The rabbi's trip to Polonne, where a wall for a tsadik was built from gravestones, leads to a note on a Pyatka word for a small wall.

Adds Pyatka's location, burial difficulties, and the rabbi's trip to Polonne.

35:12

Childhood in Piotke [needs verification] and Jewish lore.

From the machine transcript

Geller says he left Pyatka in 1936 and that his father worked in the fields. He recalls the Yiddish heard in Vinnytsia region and Zhytomyr, then tells a folk tale about a matchmaker, three daughters and a suitor made to chop wood, which he performs in a rhyming refrain. He did not attend cheder. The Yiddish school became a Ukrainian one with the same director, Frenkl, and he learned a little from his older brother. He also mentions grandfathers killed in earlier violence (details unclear).

Adds a folk tale about a matchmaker and three daughters, and his schooling.

41:50

Personal information and family.

From the machine transcript

Geller gives his Yiddish name as Binyomin, nicknamed Mime, and says he is nearing eighty. His father Yankl was a glazier until 1932, and his mother and her family's names are discussed, including a grandmother Etshi and another named Mintsi. His parents had no child for ten years until the rebbe promised one, and his mother lived to 93. A relative of his grandmother had 23 children. His mother was taught by a tutor, studied two gymnasium classes, and loved Pushkin and Tolstoy.

46:02

Early childhood memories from Piotke.

Childhood · MCO
From the machine transcript

Geller describes childhood games in Pyatka, mainly the spinning top (tsurke) marked with letters and scored by the steps taken, and rolling a hoop. He also recalls a cyclist from Petersburg in 1929 whom the children chased. He compares this with today's children and telephones and television. Kerler asks for local Yiddish words for the games.

Adds the cyclist from Petersburg and comparison with today's children.

51:15

Jewish life and architecture in Piotke before and during the war.

before the warduring the war Local Jewish historyWorld War II (general) · MCO
From the machine transcript

Geller describes the prayer houses of Pyatka: a shul, a beys-medresh and a kloyz. He explains the differences when Katz asks, saying the kloyz was small and used for a minyan. In 1941, 169 people were gathered from the kloyz and driven to the river and killed. The beys-medresh was closed around 1931–32, was used as a carpentry shop, and was then burned, with a local man named Itsik the Krimer blamed. The shul stood until the war, and a wooden building from it was taken to Berdychiv.

Adds Katz's question on shul, beys-medresh and kloyz, and the burning of the beys-medresh.

56:18

Celebration of holidays in Piotke.

From the machine transcript

Geller recalls Sabbath in Pyatka. He discusses terms for tidying up and for taking the candles off the table, and a child's memory of carrying his grandfather's tallit and a neighbour's request on Shabbat. He also tells an anecdote about forgetfulness after a wedding held in a restaurant. Kerler asks about local words for these things.

Adds the Sabbath anecdotes, the Yiddish word questions, and a wedding anecdote.