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MDV 406 · Iosif Kunovich Burg

Chernivtsi, Ukraine 16 May 2003 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler Part 2 of 5 61 min · 6 passages

One conversation with Iosif Kunovich Burg, continuing over MDV 405, MDV 406, MDV 407, MDV 408, MDV 409.

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0:00

Burg talks the destruction of Yiddish cultural and intellectual life by Hitler and Stalin. He also addresses how Israel did not encourage the continuation of Yiddish cultural life. Burg recites a Hebrew poet about Yiddish culture. Burg then broadly discusses the history of Jews and contemporary Yiddish life, including an event in Berlin, commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz. He also talks about the encounter with the German author and correspondent for the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung Michael Martens, who published a book about Burg called “Irrfahrten: Ein Ostjudisches Leben” (odysseys: an east-Jewish life).

From the machine transcript

Burg reflects on the fate of Yiddish culture. He names Hitler and Stalin as destroyers of Yiddish writers and culture, and the State of Israel as sharing the blame for weakening Yiddish. He lists great Yiddish poets and writers such as Leivick, Manger and Halpern. He notes that Hasidim in Israel still speak Yiddish, and that younger people elsewhere do not. He recounts a Berlin evening commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz and speaking Yiddish there, and receiving letters from Germany about Yiddish study. He tells how the German journalist Michael Martens (Frankfurt) visited him in Chernivtsi and Vyzhnytsia and wrote a small book about him; Kerler remarks on the German interest in Yiddish.

The transcript also shows the Israeli Hebrew-poet recitation as an unnamed Jerusalem poet whose name Burg cannot recall, and his Bnei Brak anecdote.

17:26

Burg talks about prewar Jewish life in Chernivtsi, which was divided between the assimilated German-speaking Jews and Yiddish-speaking Jews. Burg states that the Yiddish-speaking population was divided between Litvish and Bessarabian Yiddish.

From the machine transcript

Burg describes prewar Chernivtsi. Its Jews were largely assimilated, with the German of Berlin and Vienna as their language, alongside a Jewish quarter where only Yiddish was spoken. He characterizes the Czernowitz Yiddish as close to Western European Yiddish, unlike Galician or Bessarabian Yiddish, and says almost no native speaker of it can be found today. He mentions a Bessarabian Yiddish speaker living in Chernivtsi, and Kerler talks about the varieties of Yiddish he has had to speak. The passage opens with a bit of chat about drinking.

The transcript shows an opening bit of informal talk and Burg's discussion of today's speakers of the Chernivtsi dialect.

22:01

Burg provides information about his family, as well as personal information. He then shows the distinctions (Cross of the Order of Merit – Verdienstkreuz) he received from the Austrian and German government. He then shows the distinction he received from the Ukrainian Jewish Congress.

From the machine transcript

Burg gives his parents' names and the name of his grandfather, which he gives with a double name, as called to the Torah. He says he was born in Vyzhnytsia in 1912, and Kerler notes the date of this first interview in Chernivtsi (16 May 2003). Burg then shows his decorations: the Austrian and German orders presented by ambassadors, the Cross of Merit, and a Star of David medal from the Ukrainian Jewish Congress. Certificates and the languages they are written in (German, Russian, Ukrainian) are discussed, and Kerler asks if he could travel to Vyzhnytsia.

The transcript also shows the discussion of his grandfather's name as called to the Torah and the interviewer's invitation to travel to Vyzhnytsia.

31:51

Burg talks about different kinds of Yiddish from his childhood and prewar Yiddish culture. He remembers the theater group Vilna Troupe, who brought in a different Yiddish dialect to Chernivtsi.

From the machine transcript

Burg talks about the Yiddish of his childhood home: his family said tate and mame. He describes the Bukovinian dialect as modelled on the German of Vienna and Berlin, unlike that of the Bessarabian Jews who settled in Chernivtsi. He says the Lithuanian-style stage Yiddish came with the Vilna Troupe, which often visited in the 1930s. Kerler asks whether their speech was actually Litvish, and Burg says it was closer to Galician speech, but with a different sound.

The transcript also shows a comparison of Litvish, Galician and Bukovinian speech and Burg's first contacts in Vienna beginning at the end.

35:43

Burg talks about his travels to Vienna in 1935, where he met with the Yiddish writer circle. He talks about Yiddish writers, such as Mendl Naygreshl, Itzhak Turkov, Melech Ravitch, and Melech Khmilnitski*. Burg saw Hitler shortly before Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1938. Burg was taken along with fellow Jews from Vienna for forced labor at military barracks in the suburbs of Vienna. Burg was released after he talked to the person in charge of the camp, showing his Romanian passport. He drove back to Vienna in a car with SS officers. Burg tells stories about the persecution of Viennese Jews during the German occupation.

From the machine transcript

Burg recalls Vienna in 1937, shortly before the Anschluss. He met a circle of Yiddish writers there, including Abraham Fuchs, Mendl Neugroschl, and Turkow, and speaks about Neugroschl's wealthy family and his son in America. He heard Hitler and Goering speak. He describes being seized in the street and taken in a truck with other Jews to barracks outside Vienna for forced labor. He was released after speaking German and showing his Romanian passport, and was driven back to Vienna by SS men. He tells an anecdote of a Galician Jew waiting at a tram stop, and shows a photograph of the writers in Vienna, naming others.

The transcript also shows the Neugroschl family, the Turkow brothers and the identification of writers in a photograph.

52:29

Burg talks about his family and childhood memories. His father worked on a float transporting people across the Cheremosh River 52:38. Burg’s mother gave birth to five children. He grew up with Chaye, who was murdered along with their mother during the war and Binyomen, who volunteered for the Spanish Civil War and died in battle. After his bar mitzvah, encouraged by his father, Burg moved out of his parent’s house to earn his own money in Chernivtsi. He rented a room at a poor tailor’s house and studied at a school. He was supported by his well-off uncle Max. Burg then studied at the Jewish teacher’s seminary with Eliezer Steinberg to become a teacher. After graduation, Burg worked as a private tutor. He then talks about the publication of his first story in the “Czernovitzer bleter” in 1934.

From the machine transcript

Burg tells of his family and early life. His father was a raftsman on the Cheremosh, and his book 'Oyfn Cheremosh' draws on this. Burg's maternal grandfather lived long ago; Burg was Yosef Mordkhe until the Soviet period and Yosele at home. His mother bore five children, two died, and his brother Binyamin was killed in Spain and his sister Chaye died with the mother in the war. At thirteen he left home, lodged with a poor tailor in Chernivtsi, and was helped by his rich uncle Max. He then attended Eliezer Steinberg's Jewish teachers' seminary and gave private lessons. He mentions the editor Shmuel Abba Soifer and the 1934 publication of his first story.