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MDV 407 · Iosif Kunovich Burg

Chernivtsi, Ukraine 16 May 2003 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler Part 3 of 5 60 min · 8 passages

One conversation with Iosif Kunovich Burg, continuing over MDV 405, MDV 406, MDV 407, MDV 408, MDV 409.

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Passages

0:00

Burg talks about the rebbe of Vyzhnytsya, Menachem Mendel Hager. He describes how locals built a soccer field onto the Jewish cemetery. He then talks about his family’s life during World War I. Two of his aunts were beheaded by a mounted soldier. He then talks about the Soviet period, when the oldest Jewish cemetery was desecrated and destroyed to use the material for Soviet monuments. Burg continues talking about the liberal life under Austro-Hungarian rule before WWI, before he talks about contemporary antisemitic press. Burg maintains that the tolerance, experienced under Austro-Hungarian rule, persists until today.

From the machine transcript

Burg speaks about the graves of three generations of the Vyzhnytsya rebbe's dynasty in the cemetery. He describes how the old Jewish cemetery was turned into a sports ground and the gravestones reused for Soviet monuments. He recalls the First World War, when Cossacks killed two of his aunts in Vyzhnytsya; a Ukrainian carpenter buried them and a gravestone was later set up. He then speaks of Austrian-era tolerance in Bukovina, which in his view persists in Chernivtsi today, contrasted with antisemitic newspapers in Galicia and with Romanian rule between the wars.

Adds the family of the aunts, an uncle's rescue of the narrator, and a comparison with Galicia and Romania.

14:39

Burg talks about life under Soviet rule, which began in 1940, as well as the persecution of Jews.

after the war Soviet systemAntisemitism · MCO
From the machine transcript

Burg talks about the arrival of Soviet rule in 1940, which Jews welcomed as a protection against the Nazis. Persecution soon followed, and the wealthy, politicians and Zionists were deported. He recalls a night in June when half of Vyzhnytsya was taken away in trucks and many never returned. Kerler then asks him to read one of his stories.

Adds the night-time deportation in Vyzhnytsya and Kerler's request to read a story.

19:00

Burg reads one of his story “Akeydes yitskhok” (The Story of Isaac), which deals with his childhood.

Recitation before the war ChildhoodYiddish literature and press · MCO
From the machine transcript

Burg reads aloud his own Yiddish story about the binding of Isaac, which draws on his childhood. It describes his birth on a Friday evening in May, his mother's songs, his father's tales and the cheder teacher who vividly retold the Torah. It ends with the Holocaust, in which many Isaacs were killed in gas chambers. Kerler thanks him afterwards.

24:41

Burg discusses his childhood memories in his hometown Vyzhnytsya, including Hasidic family of Hager. He mentions an episode of the local priest and the Rebbe of Vyzhnytsya, who showed mutual respect for each other. According to Burg, the rebbe carried a cross on his shoulders to help the priest. Burg remembers non-Jews, their neighbors, who spoke Yiddish. He then talks about his encounter with the rebbe of Vyzhnytsya. His mother went with Burg when he was ten years old, so he can be blessed. Burg explains that that rebbe did not bless because, according to him, Burg was already blessed.

From the machine transcript

Burg returns to childhood Vyzhnytsya and the Hager rebbes, naming Rebbe Israel as the fourth in the line, whose annual visits were festive occasions with torchlight processions. He tells of the local priest and the rebbe, whose mutual respect is shown by the priest throwing a cross aside to greet him. He gives the town's population and says Yiddish was the language of the town, even of Christian neighbours. He recalls his mother taking him to the rebbe for a blessing at about ten or eleven, when the rebbe said he was already blessed.

Adds Rebbe Israel as the fourth in the line, the population figures and the torchlight welcome.

33:31

Burg recites part of the Torah (chumash), before he talks about his bar mitzvah Torah portion (parshah), as well recites it. He then talks about religious life today.

Recitation before the warlife today Birth, coming of age, deathReligious life (general) · MCO
From the machine transcript

Burg speaks about his memory of the weekly Torah portions and his bar mitzvah haftarah, then recounts the Jacob and Rachel passage he was told to review. He calls it poetry, history and Zionism together, and defends cheder education as the source of Yiddish writers. He answers Kerler's questions about cheder and yeshiva in Vyzhnytsya, whether he was called a heretic, and his religious practice today. He describes Sabbath in Vyzhnytsya, including his father's pipe, and compares the town's moderate Hasidim with Hungarian ones, with a remark on Yom Kippur in Chernivtsi.

49:11

Burg talks about his religious education, when he attended religious school (cheder) for seven years. Burg attended a Romanian school, before cheder every day. He then attended the Vyzhnytsya yeshiva. He then talks about Jewish life in prewar Vyzhnytsya and childhood memories of his grandfather. According to Burg, the majority of Jews were Hasidic. He recalls an episode about a Jewish barber who received non-Jewish customers on Sabbath. He covered the windows and locked the door in fear of rebuke from the Hasidic community. However, Burg stresses that the Hasidic community were moderate in his hometown. Burg remembers the time when his father told him stories about the Baal Shem Tov, when his family sat around the fire during the winter.

From the machine transcript

Kerler asks about Hasidic Jews in Vyzhnytsya, and Burg describes men with sidelocks and the knaplekh (?) Hasidim of Hungary. He says he knows of other Hasidic centres only in a limited way. He remembers his father telling stories about the Baal Shem Tov, and winter nights by the fire by the river in a poor household.

Adds the question about which Hasidic centres were known; the barber episode is not clearly present in this stretch.

52:25

Burg discusses food customs and holiday customs, such as Tisha B’Av and Passover. Berg then recites the beginning of the Four Questions on Passover.

Recitation FoodOther holidaysPassover · MCO
From the machine transcript

Burg answers Kerler's questions about holiday foods: potato cheese-pancakes (kayzlekh) for Passover and latkes for Hanukkah, with the word barbolyes (?) for potatoes and tatshn baked potato dishes. He discusses Shavuot greenery, Tisha B'Av customs, reading the Song of Songs on Passover and the haggadah at home. He recites part of the Four Questions in Hebrew and Yiddish. Kerler also asks how long he attended cheder.

59:32

Burg talks about his and Jewish life in general in prewar Chernivtsi. His family moved from Vyzhnytsya to the city when he was twelve years old. His father continued in his profession and traveled to Vyzhnytsya every day. He passed away at 38. According to Burg, there were 76 prayer houses in Chernivtsi.

From the machine transcript

Burg tells how the family moved from Vyzhnytsya to Chernivtsi when he was about twelve. His father, a timber trader, continued traveling to Vyzhnytsya and lodged them in a tenement room, and died in 1938; the mother stayed on for two years until the Soviets came. He says Chernivtsi had seventy-six prayer houses before the war, and discusses the synagogues near where they lived.

Adds the father's timber trade and the mother's two further years in Chernivtsi.