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MDV 685 · Tatiana (Taybele) Moiseevna Marinina

Teplyk, Ukraine 17 July 2002 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Jeffrey Veidlinger Part 1 of 2 40 min · 6 passages

One conversation with Tatiana (Taybele) Moiseevna Marinina, continuing over MDV 685, MDV 686.

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This tape consists of a formal interview with Tatiana (Taybele) Moiseevna Marinina (née Palatnikov, b. 1921 in Teplyk) (part 1 of 2. See MDV 686). She discusses her family, including her parents and grandparents. Her grandparents lived to the ages of 118 and 115, and had moved to America with Marinina’s uncles before the war. She details what her uncles did for work in America and states that she lost contact with that side of the family after those uncles passed away. She also talks about other relatives who more recently immigrated to the United States, as well as her son, who lives in Germany, and her daughter and grandchildren.

From the machine transcript

Marinina notes the interview is in Teplyk and says she was born a week before a holiday and that neighbours marked her eightieth birthday. She gives her Yiddish name Taybele and her Russian name and address in Teplyk. She names her parents (father a butcher) and her grandparents, who died in Trenton, New Jersey at very great ages. She describes two uncles in Trenton, one with factories and one poorer, and their children, who no longer know the family; she names relatives in San Francisco, her son in Germany, and a daughter and grandchildren.

Includes details on her names, address and the American relatives' names beyond the catalogue's summary.

11:50

Marinina shares her memories of prewar Jewish life and her early education. When she was approximately ten years old, her family moved to the Lunacharkskii kolkhoz in the Crimea, where her family received assistance from the American Jewish organization Agro-Joint.

From the machine transcript

Marinina says she was born in 1921 in Teplyk and did well at school. In about 1930 the family was sent to a Crimean kolkhoz, where they first lived in a shed and were helped by the American Agro-Joint. She names the Sak district and the kolkhoz, named after Lunacharsky, and answers Kerler's questions about it. She also mentions her two courses at pedagogical institute and her husband's return from the army as an invalid.

Adds her father's butcher's license and Kerler's questions on the district and kolkhoz name.

15:45

The interviewee speaks about social life on the kolkhoz, stating that everyone lived together “like one family.” She details the kinds of work done on the kolkhoz, including the raising of livestock, horses and sheep, and tending to fruit orchards and vineyards. Marinina completed three grades at a Yiddish school on the kolkhoz, and thereafter went to a Russian-language Jewish school in Simferopol’, where she lived in a dormitory.

before the war Agriculture and kolkhozSchooling · MCO
From the machine transcript

Marinina describes the kolkhoz where children lived like siblings, with livestock, sheep, horses, orchards, melon fields and vineyards. Her father and aunt worked there, and she remembers her mother as a good housewife. She completed three grades in the Yiddish school there, then went to a Russian-language 'Jewish' school in Simferopol' and later to Feodosiya, living away from home.

19:17

After finishing pedagogical training, Marinina worked for two years in an ethnic German village. She discusses her experiences during the war, detailing her time in various camps, such as Raygorod and Bershad’, the help she received from non-Jews and the forced labor she and her family performed for Germans and their local collaborators building roads and working in factories.

From the machine transcript

Marinina says she worked for two years in a village of ethnic Germans, until 1941, while studying part-time at the Simferopol' pedagogical institute. She recalls the war years in camps, including beatings and forced road building at Raygorod, Bratslav and near Bershad' by Jews, guarded by Germans and local police. Her father, a butcher for the Germans, brought her back to Teplyk. She also tells of a former kolkhoz acquaintance who spoke Yiddish and kept her secret.

Adds a former kolkhoz acquaintance who concealed her Jewish identity.

26:12

Marinina returns to the subject of her youth in the Crimea and sings a fragment from the popular Soviet Yiddish song “Dzhankoye.” She also comments on the various Yiddish writers she read for pleasure and in school. She states that although her father was not religious, he was nevertheless a highly educated and proud Jew. He thus encouraged Marinina to speak, read and write in Yiddish. She recites a fragment from the song “Makheteyneste Mayne.” Marinina’s mother was very religious and strictly observed Passover. Marinina observes Passover today and makes many of her mother’s traditional foods.

From the machine transcript

Marinina speaks about the two Germans who helped Jews during the war: a Czech-born driver and an officer who rescued children and took them to Bershad'. She also tells of a non-Jewish woman who saved a Jewish boy, and of the difficulties of getting this confirmed. The passage deals mostly with rescue and not with the Dzhankoye song or Passover, as the catalogue describes.

The transcript shows rescue stories, not the catalogue's singing, Yiddish writers and Passover.

31:20

Marinina explains the differences between the kinds of “lotkes” (latkes) made for Chanukah and Passover, and further discusses her mother’s baking and cooking. Cities and towns mentioned on this tape: Teplyk, Trenton (New Jersey), San Francisco, Kiev, Simferopol’, Bershad’, Raygorod, Bratslav, Leningrad, and Haysyn.

From the machine transcript

Marinina names the kolkhoz station and local geography near Simferopol', and Kerler asks about a Crimean song. She recalls reading Yiddish writers such as Itsik Fefer and Peretz Markish. She says the school taught in Russian, and her father, though not religious, was a cultured man who taught her to read Yiddish and a few Hebrew words. She recites a verse about a mother-in-law (a song fragment). She describes her mother's strict Passover preparations and her own Passover cooking, the latkes for Passover and Hanukkah, and her mother's baking and gefilte fish.

The latke discussion is a Passover and Hanukkah baking exchange; also includes Yiddish writers and the song fragment, as the catalogue assigns to s0005.