Rita Davidovna Shveibish

Shveibish talks in Yiddish about the Pechera camp and the transports of Jews, especially from Tulchyn, with others from Shpykiv and Mohyliv. She mentions a local policeman and the liberation, when soldiers on horseback came. Kerler learns that about 330 survived. She recalls the forced march and the freezing, overcrowded night, the lack of water and toilets, and the deaths. Her father was killed and her mother died within a month. Near the end the talk turns to Russian as they approach the camp and a memorial plaque.

Rita's own account of the march and her parents is included, not only the journey

At the former camp, now a sanatorium, the guides explain in mostly Russian where the gate and guard towers stood. They describe the memorial plaque, changed after Ukraine's independence, and how the Germans selected victims. They say prisoners were harnessed to sleds to haul corpses to burial pits in the forest, and that anyone going to the river for water was shot. Kerler checks whether the interviewee understands Yiddish. They discuss the barbed-wire fence and begging at the gate, and the group then debates driving the car into the forest.

The guides' Russian commentary on the gate, towers and plaque, and the car problem

The group reaches the forest where the mass graves lie and looks at the memorials, including a monument of a grieving Jewish mother, erected soon after the war (about 1949 or 1950, as the speaker estimates it). Kerler and the guides identify graves, partly of children and of people from Tulchyn and Mohyliv, and read the Hebrew and Russian inscriptions. They ask why the graves lie so far from the camp and discuss whether candles and mowing are kept up at the site.

The monuments and their inscriptions are discussed, beyond the arrival in the forest

Back at the camp, Shveibish describes how the gate was guarded and how people were beaten or shot if anyone tried to leave. Her father was shot on the first day, when he went for bread. She speaks of the lack of food, water and toilets, of lice and disease, and of Romanian Jews held there. She points out the cellar where the dying and dead were kept, and discusses the river Bug and the Jewish police from Tulchyn. Kerler asks about these points, and Russian and Ukrainian exchanges about the walk to the river and the cemetery run through the passage.

Adds the Jewish police, the cellar and the river, and Romanian Jews in the camp