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MDV 130 · Isaak (Itisk) Yakovlevich Boltykh; Semyon (Shimen) Semyonovich Katerberg; Tatyana (Tube) Yakovlevna Katerberg

Briceni, Moldova 15 December 2005 Interviewed by Dov-Ber Kerler, Moisei Lemster, Dovid Katz Part 1 of 2 58 min · 24 passages
2 conversations on this tape
  1. 0:00–32:19 · Isaak (Itisk) Yakovlevich Boltykh proposed
  2. 32:19–58:02 · Semyon (Shimen) Semyonovich Katerberg; Tatyana (Tube) Yakovlevna Katerberg · also on MDV 131 proposed

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Passages

0:00

Boltykh speaks about his mother's, Zhenia (Sheyndl) Boltykh, life during the war. She was imprisoned in ghettos in Transnistria until 1944.

during the war GhettoFamily history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Boltykh describes his mother's wartime ordeal. She was deported with her parents, her father died in Vertiujeni, and she was driven to Transnistria where she suffered. He gives scenes of shootings, of hunger, and of how she escaped being taken with other young girls. She was held in camp until 1944 and then returned to Briceni.

2:18

Boltykh talks about his mother's life after the war. She was born 1911 in Briceni. He then provides personal information and talks about his family.

after the warbefore the war Family historyPersonal information · MCO
From the machine transcript

Boltykh continues with his mother's return to Briceni, where her house was gone and neighbors would give back nothing. She married his father, who had come back from the war without a leg; his father died in the 1990s (?) and she then lived with Boltykh. Kerler asks for names and dates: his mother Zhenia (Sheyndl) née Shuster, born 1911, his father Avrom (Yankl), his own name Itsik, and that he has no siblings.

adds the mother's maiden name Shuster and the family names

4:33

Boltykh speaks about Jewish life after the war. He recalls private prayer services.

after the war Synagogue and prayer · MCO
From the machine transcript

Asked by Kerler about Jewish life after the war, Boltykh says there was little. The big prayer house was broken up in the 1960s and turned into a cultural building. A few old Jews gathered privately to pray with one man who could read.

adds the demolition of the prayer house in the 1960s

6:19

Boltykh speaks about life today and his family. His relatives recorded his mother's biography in Yiddish.

From the machine transcript

Boltykh talks about his elderly mother's present illness and about a relative from America who wrote down the family tree and her whole story in Yiddish. He offers to send Kerler the manuscript. He also complains that life today is not good and everything is expensive.

adds the relative's recorded family tree and the complaints about prices

9:44

Boltykh speaks about life during the Soviet period and life today. He adresses private religious services after the war.

From the machine transcript

Boltykh compares Soviet times with today: shortage and affordability then, high prices and small pensions now, and a house that is cold in winter. He says about ten camp survivors remain in town. He recalls a man who prayed at home and organised yortsayt prayers, mentions that Berts has a Jewish community without a rabbi, and answers Kerler's questions about his Yiddish and the languages of his home.

adds the questions about his own Yiddish and the languages of his home

13:28

Boltykh speaks about his mother's education. She attended a Romanian school. He then speaks about Jewish life in Briceni before the war, as he recalls it from his mother's telling.

From the machine transcript

Boltykh says his mother attended a Romanian school but could pray in Yiddish from the siddur. Recalling her stories, he describes Jewish Briceni with many tradesmen's clubs and a Jewish hospital where the wealthy paid for the poor. A relative of hers crossed the border illegally to Palestine (?) and later lived near Washington. He also mentions robbers who attacked the rich before the war and the lack of rights for Jews afterwards.

adds the Jewish hospital, tradesmen's clubs and the relative who went abroad

17:23

Boltykh speaks about life after the war and antisemitism. He then talks about his family and provides personal information. His father was born in Lipcani.

From the machine transcript

Boltykh says his father was born in Lipcani and his mother in Briceni, and speaks briefly of Yiddish theater before the war, which did not survive it. A stretch of mainly Russian speech follows on his date of birth and patronymic, which Kerler notes down together with the date of the interview. He then turns to his father.

adds the Yiddish theater and the Russian exchange on dates of birth

19:58

Boltykh speaks about his father's life during the war. He was imprisoned into a ghetto in 1944 and then served in the Red Army in 1945. He was injured in Kaliningrad and lost his leg.

during the war GhettoArmy serviceFamily history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Boltykh recounts his father's war: he was taken to a camp from Lipcani in 1944, then conscripted to the Red Army front, wounded in the leg at Königsberg (Kaliningrad?) and lost the leg. He describes combat shooting from a tank and lived as a war invalid until his death.

21:45

Boltykh talks about how his mother observed the holidays before the war. He then talks about Purim celebrations, as well as other holidays, after the war.

before the warafter the war Other holidaysPurimFamily history · MCO
From the machine transcript

Boltykh describes how his mother celebrated holidays: matzo and special food for the poor at Passover paid for by the rich, her separate Passover dishes and knife, gefilte fish, and Friday candle blessing. He mentions Purim visits with presents to neighbors, fasting, and a blessing from the rabbi of Bălți. He says his father could not pray while his mother was learned.

adds Passover practices and Friday-night candle blessing

26:47

Boltykh talks about his family and memorialization today.

From the machine transcript

Boltykh says that all his grandparents died in the camps. His mother's father had been a letter writer, an advocate of sorts, who foresaw the war; he was thrown into a grave at Vertiujeni. Boltykh describes the yearly visit to Vertiujeni on the memorial day, travelling with a group from Bălți, with a kaddish and a rabbi who leads the prayer there.

adds the grandfather's occupation and the yearly commemorative trip to Vertiujeni

29:26

Boltykh speaks about his mother's childhood and holiday celebration before the war.

From the machine transcript

Asked about his mother's childhood, Boltykh describes family gatherings at holidays in Novoselytsia. Lemster asks about her reading: she read Yiddish books, among them Sholem Aleichem. They discuss whether a Yiddish writer from Lipcani or Briceni, who left in the 1970s (?), was known, and a booklet of poems.

adds the discussion of Yiddish reading and a local writer

31:45

Boltykh speaks about the contemporary Jewish community.

life today Community institutions · MCO
From the machine transcript

A short exchange in which the interviewers decide to wrap up the interview, with a remark about a man in his eighties and a Russian aside about not losing time.

32:19

The team are headed with Boltykh to the next interview with Semyon Semyonovich Katerberg. The team arrives at his apartment and sets up the interview with him and his wife Tatyana Yakovlevna Katerberg.

Informal life today · MCO
From the machine transcript

The team travels with Boltykh to the next interview, with Russian talk about parking, and arrives at Semyon Katerberg's home. Kerler introduces the team and explains the project to Katerberg and his wife, who has doubts about publishing; Lemster adds that they can use initials.

adds the travel and the project's explanation to the couple

33:49

The formal part of the interview begins. Katerberg provides personal information and talks about his family. His father was born in Yenovits, Ukraine, and owned a shop. He states that his mother and sister were shot at the beginning of the war.

before the warduring the war Personal informationFamily historyMass killings · MCO
From the machine transcript

The formal interview begins. Katerberg gives his name Shimen, his father's name Shmuel and his father's birthplace in Bukovina, Yenovits (?), and says the father kept a shop in Berlinți and died in 1941. His mother and sister, born 1930, were shot in the war; he names his sister (Maniya/Mariam, unclear) and gives dates of birth.

adds the details of the father's trade, the sister's name and the shooting of Jews in Berlinți

38:45

Katerberg talks about his education. He attended a religious school (cheder). After the war, Katerberg was the president of a kolkhoz in the village Larga and moved to Berlinţi fifteen years ago. He then briefly mentions his bar mitzvah.

before the warafter the warlife today Religious educationAgriculture and kolkhozBirth, coming of age, death · MCO
From the machine transcript

Katerberg talks about cheder in Berlinți and his teacher, named Steingauz (?), who died in the war and who beat the children. He studied Humash and Rashi. He says he moved to Briceni fifteen years ago after being kolkhoz chairman in Larga, and that he lived among Christians. Lemster asks about his bar mitzvah; he recalls only a meal.

adds the name of the teacher and the content of the studies

41:25

Katerberg discusses his childhood memories. In particular, he recalls how families gathered during the long winter nights. He also addresses food customs.

ChildhoodFood · MCO
From the machine transcript

Katerberg recalls long winter evenings when neighbors gathered in turns at one house or another, baking bread and drinking tea, and Friday baking of challah. Lemster asks about Sabbath food: meat, gefilte fish, which Tatyana still makes. Her name is given as Tube.

43:34

Tatyana provides personal information.

From the machine transcript

Tatyana gives personal information: her Yiddish name Tube, now Tatyana, maiden name Akkerboim, from Berlinți, born in 1930 (?), and the interview date is repeated.

44:13

Tatyana explains how she prepares gefilte fish.

Food · MCO
From the machine transcript

Tatyana explains how she prepares gefilte fish, from skinning to grinding the flesh, adding salt, pepper and sweet water, and baking or boiling it; the questions go on to fish skin stuffed with pieces and fish broth. Lemster asks about further details.

46:32

Semyon talks about the family gatherings during winter before the war. Tatyana adds that families from Berlinţi would often go to the neighboring village Beleavinţi.

before the war Daily life (general)Childhood · MCO
From the machine transcript

The Katerbergs say that people spent winter nights with different families, and Tatyana explains that Berlinți and the neighboring village of Bilavintsy (Beleavinți) had Jews who often gathered in the latter. Asked about Yiddish reading, they recall little; their son cannot speak Yiddish.

adds the neighbouring village and the discussion of reading

48:08

Semyon talks about his family. Their son lives in Stanislav.

From the machine transcript

Katerberg says he remembers his grandmother, his mother's mother, who lived with them, but not his grandfathers; his father's parents were in Yenovits. He names his paternal grandfather Manes and maternal grandfather Aron. Their son, named for the father, lives in Stanislav.

adds the grandparents' names and the naming of their son

49:39

Tatyana talks about holiday celebration, particularly Purim. Semyon then explains how to play nuts, which he often did during Passover.

From the machine transcript

Tatyana recalls one Purim when children gathered and ran around a courtyard, with masquerade. Semyon describes nut games at Passover, such as setting up nuts to knock down, and mentions the dreidel at Hanukkah. They also recall Hanukkah money and sweets, but no recipe for latkes.

adds the nut games, dreidel and Hanukkah customs

53:08

The Katerbergs talk about prewar life in Berlinţi with a majority of Christian residents. Semyon attended a Romanian school for seven years.

From the machine transcript

The Katerbergs describe prewar Berlinți as a pleasant village with many Christians; the children played and attended Romanian school together. Semyon says he studied for seven years. They discuss whether Christians spoke Yiddish and say Jews and Christians were not distinguished, even in the army.

adds the discussion of Christians speaking Yiddish

54:10

Semyon briefly talks about his life during the war. He served in the Red Army at the Japanese front. He then touches upon local Jewish writers and postwar Yiddish press.

during the warafter the war Army serviceYiddish literature and press · MCO
From the machine transcript

Katerberg briefly says he was in the army and on the Transbaikal (Japanese) front (?). Asked about Yiddish writers from Lipcani and about Soviet Yiddish press, he and Tatyana recall little, and she says people feared keeping such a journal in the house. Kerler closes by explaining the project and its dialect research aims.

adds the discussion of the Soviet Yiddish press and Kerler's closing explanation